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Openbox trouble

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http://crunchbanglinux.org – I've been trying to set some application properties in rc.xml, for example controlling the window decoration.  I can identify the application name, class, and role from xprop and create a section for it in rc.xml, but it doesn't work on Firefox and Thunderbird.  So far the only way I can get openbox to detect these applications is to set name="*" and use the role to identify them, which obviously isn't ideal.  Even specifying the first letter of the name with * (case sensitive!) doesn't work although it messed with a whole bunch of other windows :)A (HowTos)