empathy and pidgin cannot connect to AIM

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http://askubuntu.com – I'm on 11.10 and after an update last week I can no longer connect to AIM with Empathy or Pidgin. I can connect with Kopete so I know it's not the AIM account. I've tried deselecting "use clientLogin" in Pidgin and that made no difference. I've uninstalled and re-installed both Pidgin and Empathy but that made no difference. Does anyone have any other suggestions? (HowTos)